Great concern about women’s rights has erupted in Israel over several
incidents- some inexcusable while others seemingly innocuous. There are two
aspects to the issue. First, does the
separation of men and women imply discrimination against women, as Bill Gates commented
in a recent interview on the BBC?
Secondly, should the separation and cover up be enforced in the public
domain? The second issue is fairly simple, no, and especially not in the way
certain situations have been handled. To
be clear, those responsible are not really religious. The press fails to report that these same
‘religious’ fanatics have also spit on the leading Rabbis who have policies
against their beliefs. Clearly, the
secular media wants to use the zealots to tarnish the entire religious
community. They are fanatic
personalities that would be fanatic in any arena. Further, that is the reason there is a large
camp of Jews who are not traditionally Zionist for if you define a State as
Jewish you are then forced to define Jewish- to do so results in an
uncomfortable mixture of ‘synagogue’ and state that forces the issue. So back to the first issue, does separation
equal discrimination?
In truth, it is hard to justify answering questions, as if from a
defensive position, about discrimination from a secular society that lags far
behind in protecting its women. Let me site a few statistics that will
highlight the point. As many as one in
four women will be involved in some type of rape during their college careers.[1] Anorexia is the third most prevalent chronic
illness among teenagers, mostly women of course.[2] And finally, it is now expected that nearly
50% of married couples will engage in infidelity at some point in their
marriage, and mostly it will be the man that strays.[3] To say that each of these items is
destructive is an understatement. Just
take the last statistic, the amount of depressed spouses and destroyed children
that come about from this behavior is not included in the data. In the religious world, the comparable
statistics are virtually negligible.
What accounts for the difference? Perhaps,
it is the moral ideology that adultery and rape are morally reprehensible. The
problem is that moral abhorrence of rape is similarly strong in the university
world, but it still happens at an unacceptable rate (adultery is no longer
necessarily considered wrong by secular standards despite the terrible consequences). So if it isn’t ideology, then what is it?
Likely, it is the cultural norms and actions that make a difference, namely
separation of the sexes. Ideology is
never enough when trying to enforce action; knowing that something is wrong
will not help unless a tangible action tags along. For example, a person on a diet does not
spend time in a fresh bakery. Likely,
during the duration of the diet he avoids all places that may tempt him. It is not that he discriminates against
unhealthy food; rather, he has other values that override his desire for the
food, health, and so he places barriers between him and the food to lessen the
chance for a mistake. The knowledge that
sweet smelling baked goods will ruin his diet won’t guarantee success.
Granted, this a crude analogy, but it works over here. To deny that there is a natural magnetism
between men and women is to deny a biological reality. There is a real force in the world called
attraction between the sexes and it is among the more powerful forces created
in this world. Ideology alone that this
force can only be acted upon in the proper situation is not enough given the
extent of moral failures in this area. Clearly,
simply mind over matter does not necessarily apply here- a person may be playing
Russian roulette with his and his family’s well-being.
for two excellent articles on the matter, written by a woman, please see:
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/can-ultra-orthodox-culture-go-overboard-in-its-quest-for-modesty-1.408262
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=251336
[1] 1
Hirsch (1990). National Victims Center. Retrieved August 16, 2000, from the
World Wide Web: http://www.ncvc.org/ index.html
[2] http://www.anad.org/get-information/about-eating-disorders/eating-disorders-statistics/
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidelity
Ioni, leo tu blog medio en silencio hace rato, disfrutando mucho tus observaciones, comentarios y opiniones.
ReplyDeleteEsta vez, siento una imperiosa necesidad de comentar sobre lo que vos escribis.
Podes decir que la ortodoxia protege mas a las mujeres, suponiendo que ellas necesitan ser protegidas de los hombres.
En todo caso, la implicación de que el hombre es debil, y esta expuesto a querer abusar de las mujeres, es un pensamiento que - aunque sea asi en algun caso - no puede ser fundamento para segregar a las mujeres. No pueden ser ellas las que deban "adaptarse" por una debilidad masculina.
Podes dar estadisticas de violaciones, abusos, y excesos contra mujeres en EEUU, porque esas estadisticas existen. Pero no podes decir lo mismo de lo que sucede dentro de la ortodoxia porque esta tapado dentro de un hermetismo enorme.
Sin embargo, que no haya estadisticas, no significa que no existan. Son cada vez mas los casos de abuso, violencia y discriminacion expuestos por mujeres que deciden hablar, dar a conocer sus historias.
Creo que la "segregacion" de la que hablas, no puede ser impuesta sobre la sociedad civil que no comparte los mismos valores con la ortodoxia.
La sociedad Israelí es Judía, pero el Estado es laíco, por ende debe respetarse a quienes no son religiosos, tanto como a quienes si lo son.
Si un observante de la ortodoxia se siente incomodo porque una persona (hombre o mujer) sube a un omnibus cuando, como y donde quiere, el que debe modificar su conducta es el que se siente incomodo.
El respeto a las diferencias esta dentro del Judaismo que vivo todos los dias de mi vida, y es parte de lo que me gusta de ser judio.
Por favor, no permitas que las ideas de unos pocos le hagan creer a la gente que el Judaismo no las acepta.
un abrazo y shabat shalom,
Eze
Eze:
ReplyDeleteMuchas gracias por tus comentarios y me alegro mucho que diste tu opinion y que lees estos ideas, lo cual realmente era una sorpresa. Bueno, despues de ese introduction en castellano, sera mas facil seguir en ingles para responder a tus puntos que llamaste al atencion!
a)Podes decir que la ortodoxia protege mas a las mujeres, suponiendo que ellas necesitan ser protegidas de los hombres.
My comment: Remember, only one third of the issues I brought up deal with this point. Objectification (that leads to anorexia) and infidelity are not about protection, so it is not an issue of protection per se. But, truth be told, in certain situations it should be denied that woman do also need to be protected as due to physical strength, men have the biological upper hand.
b) la implicación de que el hombre es debil, y esta expuesto a querer abusar de las mujeres, es un pensamiento que - aunque sea asi en algun caso - no puede ser fundamento para segregar a las mujeres.
My comment: There is a fundamental mistake at work here that everyone makes. It is just as much a man's job to separate as it is a woman's job. A man is segregated to one side of the bus as much as woman are segregated to another side. It is not up to women to stand aside, rather, both sides need to make an effort to separate, and the onus is not more on one side or the other. Maybe the men should sit in the back of the bus then, if that makes it more palatable.
c)"adaptarse" por una debilidad masculina.
My comment: Again, we are not talking about male frailty. We are talking about the mutual attraction that undeniably exits and the consequences that come from that. For example, for infidelity to occurs, it takes two to tango.
d)Pero no podes decir lo mismo de lo que sucede dentro de la ortodoxia porque esta tapado dentro de un hermetismo enorme.
My comment: that type of abuse of which I think you are speaking is domestic abuse. This is an entirely different issue that, I agree, is problematic, though it is still probably less rampant than in secular circles. But be that as it may, public separation of the sexes has nothing to do with this issue.
e)Creo que la "segregacion" de la que hablas, no puede ser impuesta sobre la sociedad civil que no comparte los mismos valores con la ortodoxia.
my comment: I agreed with you on this point in the first paragraph of the article.
f)el que debe modificar su conducta es el que se siente incomodo.
my comment: Well, it depends. We always have to be respectful of the environment. So if the whole bus would appreciate separation, then respect it the other way as well. Because in that situation, the person who is uncomfortable is the non-religious person so to make himself more comfortable he should adapt accordingly.
f)el que debe modificar su conducta es el que se siente incomodo.
ReplyDeletemy comment: Well, it depends. We always have to be respectful of the environment. So if the whole bus would appreciate separation, then respect it the other way as well. Because in that situation, the person who is uncomfortable is the non-religious person so to make himself more comfortable he should adapt accordingly.
Yoni,
only point to be made on above, is that democracy is both about the will of majority as about the protection of minorities.
In this case, even if the majority is willing to sit separately, the law MUST defend the freedom to choose of the ONE person who wants to sit wherever he/she wants to.
Then the question is: is this about respect and protection to women? or is it about freedom? What about women who DECIDE they don't want/need to be protected? What about men who want to sit next to their wifes, daughters, girlfriends, or flirt with the girl they go on the bus every day to work, or viceversa? Why should they feel uncomfortable about this? Why should someone else have a right to tell them "it is not allowed" or "it is not what the majority wants"?
Abrazo y Shabat Shalom!
Eze